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20 August 2010 @ 02:54 pm
Dogs of Babel Discussion with SPOILERS  
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The Auburn Haired Magicianvalca85 on August 20th, 2010 06:58 pm (UTC)
My first question, something I really can't decide myself is :
Why did Lexy leave all those clues for Paul, but no real suicide note? Yes, she left a message in the books and in Lorelei's collar, but she also made it a bit difficult for Paul to actually know what happened. Why all the mystery?
I don't know if it's because by doing that she was trying to help Paul with his grief. Knowing that he was going to be incredibly upset, maybe she set up that "game" with him, to drag him out of his own head.
What do you all think?
temporaryworldstemporaryworlds on August 20th, 2010 07:20 pm (UTC)
To be honest, I never thought too much about that part but you're right. It is kind of unusual that Lexy would leave behind these clues that Paul may have never been able to interpret. I thought that it was just Lexy being her own free spirited self, but the message in the book titles is not something I would have ever picked up on.
Lolamilkmaid on August 21st, 2010 11:26 am (UTC)
I took it as the fact that she liked to make life more interesting by being spontaneous/mysterious/childlike/arty (?) as Paul makes note a few times in the book. And yes, I do think it was to drag him out of his own head, help with the grieving process maybe even speed it up as he had to figure out whether or not she killed herself. That resolution may have helped him come to terms with her death. She didn't seem to like to explain herself at all, so I presume that was why no suicide note. Besides, there's still a stigma on suicide. Perhaps she didn't want Paul to have to live with that for the rest of his life as well as her death.
There is too the issue of masks and the Jennifer mask that she keeps and wears. Maybe it's another layer to the whole mask theme, ie we can only see what she's done, but not what she's thought or felt because we weren't there to see her face (and emotions, thoughts, etc).
I do find it a bit... contrived. Depression such as she seemed to deal with is debilitating to most people but maybe there was more to it than that like she was bipolar? Not that it makes a big difference as such. But it does seem quite drastic. Why not talk it out? Why not tell Paul about the baby? Why not simply say sorry or figure something out? It seems a bit, well, over the top honestly. Having been pregnant, I do know what it's like and how you act strange and get odd ideas that you fixate on. However, it just seems a bit too staged somehow. 8/ Does that make sense or am I harping on? 8)
The Auburn Haired Magicianvalca85 on August 21st, 2010 01:25 pm (UTC)
No, you're not harping on :) I hadn't really thought about it that way. As someone who has battled depression my whole life, sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to the way you feel. You want to work it out, to somehow fix it, but since it's your head where the whole problem is, how can you use it to get out of that state?
This is just a personal view on it. Your point is very valid and she could have easily been bipolar. She has all the symtoms. I'm actually surprised Paul did not act on it quicker. He told her to maybe see someone, but he should have insisted. I mean someone who has sex with you wearing the mask of a dead girl should get help. That's past quirkiness.
temporaryworldstemporaryworlds on August 22nd, 2010 12:42 am (UTC)
I also assumed she was bipolar, by comparing her actions to several people I know that have been diagnosed.

I did find it a little surprising that Paul did not act on it quicker. At the same time I do know that when you're in love with someone, you tend to gloss over the flaws, even (I dare say) after the "shiny new" phase has worn off. When you love someone completely (at least in my limited experience), you love them with flaws included. It often takes an outsider to point these things out.

I certainly agree that he should have insisted a little more that she get help. But Paul always seemed like the more passive person in the relationship.
The Auburn Haired Magicianvalca85 on August 22nd, 2010 01:23 pm (UTC)
He was the more passive one for sure.
It's interesting that he had to accept her (and did) like she was, but she immediately wanted to change HIM. On the first date she decided that he wasn't impulsive enough and had to do something about that. It didn't seem like an even relationship.
The Auburn Haired Magicianvalca85 on August 22nd, 2010 01:26 pm (UTC)
I have a question about the whole mask thing.
What do you all think about the fact that she worked with disguises? Do you think the Jennifer mask drove her to the edge, along with the baby?

I found it a bit scary that on the first date they had to wear masks. That does not bode well for a relationship :) I wonder if the author wanted us to understand that neither one knew each other for who they were.
tap_aparecium: book.tap_aparecium on August 26th, 2010 05:41 pm (UTC)
Now that I'm finally finished with the book I came back here to see the things I missed. I think the fact that Lexy worked with disguises was symbolic in a way. She felt like she was wearing a mask herself. I didn't think the Jennifer mask necessarily threw her over the edge but I think it was a stepping stone on her way there. Especially since she insisted on wearing it during sex? Maybe this ties in with her finding out she hadn't really seen that ghost in New Orleans. She wanted so desperately to believe in Love surviving death that finding out it wasn't a ghost she met was a huge blow. Maybe she put on Jennifer's mask that night for more pretending; to remind herself it was possible for love and death to be connected.

I think the baby did throw her over the edge though. I think finding out she was pregnant forced her hand. She felt (especially after what the psychic told her) that the time had come to make a decision instead of constantly ricocheting back and forth between happiness and sadness. That if she kept living her life with Paul she knew that he would expect children from her, for her to be a mother, and that was something she felt she could never truly be to anyone as badly as she may have wanted it.
The Auburn Haired Magicianvalca85 on August 26th, 2010 06:32 pm (UTC)
I had completely forgotten the whole ghost thing. She was so devastated by that. I think she needed to feel special, by seeing the ghost she felt that somthing had reached out to her, had chosen her. It's interesting that she longs to be special, to be chosen by an apparition, but she doesn't realize that she is special and she has a partner who completely loves her and who has chosen her to spend his life with. She is so disconnected.
tap_apareciumtap_aparecium on August 26th, 2010 06:42 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if it was all of the above. Her thoughts and emotions were so jumbled and messy I believe she felt all kinds of things at one time. That I can relate to.